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Potty training hell

  Oh my god.I have "The Rage".  Are you familiar with "The Rage"?  It's when you just want to beat someone or punch a wall, and you spend your time screaming inside your head, tense and annoyed at everthing.  Yes, I've got it.  And it's all because of potty training.

I thought I was a good potty trainer. What I have learned is that my first child was a good potty trainer, it had NOTHING to do with me.  My second, child, though, true to his personality, is to put it bluntly, a shitty potty trainer.  Literally.

Matthew was a breeze. We waited until he turned three (I'd seen too many friends try early and then spend months or even years trying to get their kids trained, I had another child in diapers so I was in no hurry, it wasn't like diapers would end for me when Matthew got PT'd).  Once he turned three we bought him cool underwear, read some books and bought him a GeoTrax train. The train was the key. He was allowed to play with the train if he was sitting on his potty chair.  He'd sit there for 10-15 minutes and pee and after just a couple of times he got it.  Pooping was even easier because he could "feel it coming" more and would always go to the bathroom. Unless he fell asleep I could count on one hand the number of accidents he's had since that day with the train.  Within two weeks he was nearly 100% daytime potty trained. Ahhhh.

Then I met Ben. Have you met Ben? If you have you'll know just what I mean when I say Ben marches to the beat of his own drummer. He does things HIS way, nobody else's.  He could be labeled as a difficult or spirited child but I just prefer to call him Ben.  He's got a strong mind and I love that about him.

That said, he makes my life difficult. A lot.

And potty training is probably the worst thing yet.  I hadn't planned to start until he turned three, just like Matthew. But daycare was starting all the kids in his class in September so I went with it. Ben is very smart. He got it right away, he wasa  rock star. He was pee trained almost immediately, even during naps.

Then it became not fun anymore and he started having accidents and not caring.  He'd decided it wasn't a big deal and so he peed his pants.  We've gone back and forth on that, sometimes he does really well, other times he could care less and he just pees in his pants.

But the pooping. Oh My God, the pooping is going to make me loose my mind.

I think that Ben started out with some bad assocations with pooping on the potty (he was often constipated and it really hurt...those were the times that we caught him in time to put him on the potty so he associated the potty with pain - but we're over that now).  Ben is that kid I never thought really existed.

He's the kid that would rather poop/pee in his pants than stop doing what he's doing. He can't be bothered.  I'd heard about these kids but never really believed it.  Oh, boy, now I do. 

We've tried all the "recommended" things- sticker charts, candy, bribes, encouragement, threats, and even punishment (yes, I know they say you're not supposed to punish him but sometimes putting him in time out is a real trade off over me beating him which is my desire when he poops on my carpet).

The ONLY glimmer of hope we've had is that he has, twice now, pooped in his little potty chair if it's right within his sight when he has to go.  But if he's not within five feet of it, all bets are off.  Monday morning, for instance, he woke up, and promptly pooped in his potty, then came and woke us up to tell us.  This morning, however, he went downstairs to get a puzzle and the urge came so he just pooped right on the carpet. Argh!

My only other plan at this point is to buy some more small potty chairs and put them wherever he might be (I'm not above following him around with a potty chair).  He's too short to get up on to the regular toilet by himself, and doesn't seem to have the control or desire to hold it for the amount of time it'd take to get to a potty, hence the small potty chair right in his face or nothing. If this doesn't work I'm out of ideas. I don't want to put him back in diapers or pull ups because he's doing so good with the peeing and I know him, if he had a pullup on he'd most certainly just pee in it over stopping playing.

I'm pretty sure at this point he mostly "gets it" (he might still have some trouble controling it) but he certainly understands that he's *supposed* to go on the potty, he just is choosing not to.

I'm so sick of being elbow deep in poop. It's not cool.

Anyone have any other bright ideas or want to commiserate with me?  In the mean time I'm going to fight my rage with a candy bar.


Posted Jan 27 2010, 09:53 AM by Heather
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EGS wrote re: Potty training hell
on 01-27-2010 2:41 PM

No bright ideas here.  I have another one that just doesn't give a ***, literally.  He can't be bothered.  I agree that you don't want to go back to diapers or pull-ups.  This last pack I bought is going to just be the last pack altogether.  Is he just having "accidents" at home or is it a problem at daycare too?

I feel you.  I have to make sure mine doesn't dig when he's left alone too long.  e.g. Nap/quiet time.  He doesn't like it on his hands and then wipes them anywhere he can to get it off.  I completely freaked out on him the last time and I'm really hoping I didn't give the poor kid a complex, but he knows he's suppossed to keep his hands out of his diaper/pull-up.

BTW, it might be easier to fight your rage with a glass of Reisling.  :-D

Heather wrote re: Potty training hell
on 01-27-2010 3:05 PM

Re: Reisling - True True! (except that I'm a red wine drinker and I'm at work)  :)  My students would probably love it if I came to class half in the bag :)

Heather wrote re: Potty training hell
on 01-27-2010 3:05 PM

Oh, and he doesn't poop at school either. He either poops his pants or just doesn't poop there at all.

dkane816 wrote re: Potty training hell
on 01-27-2010 9:26 PM

EGS, glad to know mine isn't the only one who "digs"...never heard of that expression but my 2 year old has done it twice and the second time she got reprimanded and hasn't done it since, thank God! That was so gross!  

As far as your ticket out of potty training hell...wish I could give you one and give some hope that there is a light at the end of the poopy tunnel but since Dylan (5yrs.) has just this week decided that he is going to try to stop wetting in his Pull-ups at night, I'm just seeing the light myself...hopefully Ben is done long before 5.  He's had two dry nights and he just asked me for a drink at 9:23 p.m. and I wouldn't give him one because I told him if he's dry every night for 2 weeks then he can wear underwear to bed...keeping my fingers crossed that this is our last box of Pull-ups for him!

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Heather M. wrote re: Potty training hell
on 01-28-2010 9:11 AM

We also had "poop" issues with our daughter when she was potty training and it was so frustrating!  She would pee on the potty, but would NOT poop!  A couple of things did work for us though:

1)  As hard as it was, our doctor advised us not push her.  She told us she'll go when she's ready.  She would poop in her underwear.  We told her that we did not want her pooping in her underwear and if she needed to poop, tell us and we'll put a diaper on her.  We had in her underwear all the time, because if she wasn't she would definitely pee in the diaper, but not in the underwear.  It was frustrating, but when she had to poop she would ask for a diaper, go and then back to underwear.   It made our lives easier and it took some stress and anxiety out of it for her.

2)  We had a poop basket.  We filled it with dollar store toys.  If she pooped on the potty, she got a toy.  It's flat out bribery, but it worked.  Granted, it took awhile to get the point where she even cared about the poop basket, but shortly after she turned 3, something clicked and she started going on the potty all the time.  

Our son just turned 2 and I am dreading starting this process again!  Good luck!

Connie wrote re: Potty training hell
on 01-28-2010 3:24 PM

I also have the same stubborn toddler who doesn't want to go in the potty.  Maybe it is a second child thing?  I have previously only heard about this problem with boys so when my dd started being her stubborn self, (she will pee in the potty but poop in pull ups, panties, pants, on the floor, etc) I thought I had a problem child.   My first child was 100% potty trained (day and night) in a few days.  It literally clicked for her.  I can't wait for the light at the end of the tunnel!

Lisa Q wrote re: Potty training hell
on 01-31-2010 12:15 PM

Potty training - UGH!!!  I have 2 kids.  My son (first born) was easier to train than my daughter.  She would throw wild tantrums if I put her on the potty so I decided to put her back in pullups.  I wasn't convinced it was just a head game she was playing as she got freaked out one day when she pooped in the potty chair.  Also, we were dealing with other issues that were more urgent than the potty training.  We used candy and prizes as rewards, purchased underwear with her favorite characters, etc all with only a little bit of success.  But what finally worked for us was:

1. Giving her choices.  She hated going potty first thing in the morning.  I allowed her to choose to go upon waking or after breakfast.  She always chose after breakfast and she stuck to her decision.  The tantrums ended and we made good progress.  BTW, if her diaper was clean and dry when she woke it was still clean and dry when she used the potty after breakfast.

2. Going potty at set times during the day.  One of my son's docs suggested pairing potty time with other events during the day (instead of choosing certain intervals such as every hour) so they would learn to associate when potty time was necessary.  For example, upon waking, after meals, before naptime, etc.

3. We enrolled my daughter in preschool.  I told her that the teacher called to say the she needed to practice a few things before school started, including using the potty and wearing underwear.  She was excited about being a big girl and going to school so this worked like a charm.

4. We didn't make a big fuss when she used the potty successfully.  This was not by choice.  She would get mad when we would praise her, applaud, etc for a job well done.  We were allowed to smile at her, give her a high five, wink at her, giver her a reward.  Sometimes before she would get to the bathroom she would remind me, "Mom, don't say 'good job'."  LOL

Good luck to you!

Nichole wrote re: Potty training hell
on 02-03-2010 2:34 PM

Everything I'd ever read said...when in doubt wait a while and come back to it later or wait until THEY are ready..etc.etc....AND...I did that with my first. I waited until he met all the signs. Introduced the potty chair in the bathroom at 18m and talked about it but it was something he could use in any way he wanted...chair, step stool, etc.  He chose to poop on the potty but pee in diapers at age 25m...and I let him pee in the diapers until he decided at age 3 (3years and 3 days to be exact) that he only wanted to wear underewear and only wanted to pee in the potty.  He was day trained instantly aside from a few damp moments or accidents while transitioning to preschool.  Resolved on it own.  

AND then came Eli.  He has 2 sides to him.  Somedays he's everybody's helper and wants to please us, and other days it's his way or no way.  At 14 or 15m/o we used to laugh because he'd come into the bathroom, sit on the step stool and "grunt" mockingly when my 3y/o would be on the potty.  By age 2, he'd climb on the real potty and pee but only before bathtime and only b/c he wasn't allowed in the water without peeing a bit.  Once we discovered that it was all about the bubbles he'd make in the toilet water, it all became a "make some bubbles".  Anytime we transition to something he wants to do...we make him go make some bubbles or he can't do whatever it is.  And that started around 28-29m/o.  And he'd always go..and loves making the bubbles still.  

He had NO interest in pooping on the potty.  Though that came along later on its own when he discovered he could say he had to go and put off bedtime.  That started months of pooping on the potty as his leverage to stall at bedtime and naptime...he'd say he'd have to go and he'd sit there until he went...and it really did stall bed and nap...so he'd hold it and wait until then for months.  With Eli it's all manipulation.  But he still THRIVES on the praise he gets for his efforts as well. So we praised lavishly.  

Now he'll mostly initiate going on his own.  He's had very little accidents, so we keep at it.  we go before getting in the car, we go before going to the play area, we go before bath, and sometimes he even gets to get out of bed to go.  If it's avoiding sleep or he has to do it to go somewhere fun...he's all for it....until it just became second nature.

I'm a big fan of just finding what works for each child...and I definitely can commiserate on just how frustrating it is....until you find it.  And knowing....it WILL happen one day or this too shall pass...can keep you going at times but only takes you so far.

AND Definitely have a glass of wine....it's good for you.

Pittsburgh Mom wrote Potty training update
on 02-05-2010 8:43 AM

I got so much good advice (and sympathy) after my Potty Training Hell post that I thought I owed you

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